Comments on: Privacy-Focused Alternatives To Google https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/ Computer Help, Tips, How-to's, and News Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:30:51 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-113004 Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:30:51 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-113004 In reply to Paula Z.

Hey Paula,

Thanks for the comment, and your recommendation for StartMail. Appreciated.

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By: Paula Z https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112994 Thu, 31 Dec 2020 18:34:19 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112994 I have used StartPage for years. I love their email – StartMail as well. It’s not free but all the extras that come with it are well worth the price. I can have multiple email addresses that expire after a period of time, disposable email addresses, etc. I will be checking out SRWare Iron for my Chrome and Edge alternative!

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112893 Tue, 29 Dec 2020 08:13:32 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112893 In reply to American Kiwi.

Yandex has been embroiled in controversy related to the spreading of child sexual imagery: https://fortune.com/2020/01/17/yandex-russia-search-engine-child-exploitation-sexual-imagery/

Oh dear.

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By: American Kiwi https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112891 Tue, 29 Dec 2020 07:28:14 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112891 While not comparable to a current user search experience, if you want results similar to what you got from google when it started or dogpile back in the day, one that does a great job and frequently comes up with totally different top page results than any of the major search engines is yandex.com. Just found out about it a few months ago. Yes, it is Russian. So what (IMO). Example of its usefulness: I was trying to find a now obscure old public domain book on a topic that was fine in the day but is no longer politically correct. No luck with google, startpage, duckduckgo or bing. The very first hit with yandex. I now use more than one search engine including Yandex as each has its pros and cons. I have nothing to do with them just note you can find stuff with it you won;t find using the major ones we all commonly use.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112497 Mon, 21 Dec 2020 23:50:21 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112497 In reply to JD.

Hey JD,

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. 🙂 Titles are tricky, if we use a more descriptive title it often ends up too long and is subsequently truncated in search results. Not good for SEO.

In this case, I thought I had covered the purpose of the article more than sufficiently by repeating over and over that this is for users who are looking for a more private alternative but would prefer to stick with the Google experience, even including words to that effect in the intro:

However, what many privacy-conscious users may not realize is that there are privacy-focused alternatives available that closely replicate the Google experience.

Regarding Startpage and System 1, let’s get the facts straight. The concerns you raise were discussed some time ago, at the time (or thereabouts) of the acquisition and, as far as I am aware, there has been zero evidence since to suggest those concerns were in any way justified. Anyone can easily look up Startpage’s privacy policy, which is transparent and extremely rigid, and decide for themselves.: https://www.startpage.com/en/privacy-policy/. Bearing in mind that in the Netherlands, where Startpage is based, privacy policies are legally binding and governed by the EU’s GDPR.

In the end, regardless of Startpage’s ownership history, it remains a much more private option than Google search.

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By: JD https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112484 Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:44:02 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112484 In reply to Jim Hillier.

Hi Jim, I’m not trying to be disrespectful to you. I like your articles here and always read them. However, The title of this article is “Privacy-Focused Alternatives To Google”, not “Google Experience like Alternatives to Google” If privacy is not the main concern, then why not just stick with Google? Google claims (https://safety.google/) that they are:

1)The safer way to search.
2) Protecting your privacy starts with the world’s most advanced security.

No one really takes that seriously (hence your article).

The facts are that:
1) System1 has acquired Startpage.
2) The history and business model of System1, includes gathering “as much data as possible” and profiling users.
3) The board of directors changed from old Startpage people (privacy focused) to System1 people (non-privacy focused).
4) The business models of System1 and a private search engine are contradictory.

Choosing a private search engine is largely about trust, and only you can decide who to trust. Since the business model of the StartPage owners (System1) is not privacy, how private is Startpage? Can you trust System1 not to make changes over time to lower privacy (if they haven’t already)?

I think you should at least mention to your readers that the new owners of Startpage do not have privacy as their business model.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112417 Sun, 20 Dec 2020 00:26:21 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112417 In reply to JD.

there are privacy-focused alternatives available that closely replicate the Google experience.

the one I am recommending is Startpage which closely resembles the Google experience

for users who would prefer to stick with the Google experience

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By: JD https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112387 Sat, 19 Dec 2020 16:32:51 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112387 Users should be aware that in December 2018, Startpage.com was taken over by a company called the Privacy One Group, which is in turn owned by a company called System1. The two companies have conflicting business models. Startpage has been known for basing their advertisements on what their users enter in their search bar. System1 on the other hand, is a pay-per-click advertising company that “has developed a pre-targeting platform that identifies and unlocks consumer intent across channels including social, native, email, search, market research and lead generation rather than relying solely on what consumers enter into search boxes.” Now, you have to trust System1 for your privacy.

Also, you are still giving Google money and using Google’s biased searches.
I used to use Startpage, but switched to DuckDuckGo

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112364 Sat, 19 Dec 2020 05:41:55 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112364 In reply to baruch weisman.

Hey Baruch,

I’m sure you’ll like Startpage. Good decision.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112362 Sat, 19 Dec 2020 05:13:49 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112362 In reply to JonInOz.

Cheers Jonno. Right back at you.

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By: Richard Pedersen https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112351 Sat, 19 Dec 2020 02:02:59 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112351 In reply to JonInOz.

Thank you, Jon! And same to you,
Richard

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By: JonInOz https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112348 Sat, 19 Dec 2020 01:26:46 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112348 Hi Jim,
I recall SRWare Iron from the BB days, and I still use it, well mentioned.
Thank You.
Apart from that I thank you for the great articles from yourself and the DCT Team.
I wish for you Jim, and your family ‘gang’ a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, with this I also wish for Dave, the DCT Team and their families a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and looking forward to the continuation of Dave’s Computer Tips articles in 2021.
Best Wishes to all from Jon in Oz.

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By: baruch weisman https://davescomputertips.com/privacy-focused-alternatives-to-google/#comment-112347 Sat, 19 Dec 2020 01:25:14 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=108660#comment-112347 I added startpage to srware iron after your informative article. Iron has been a backup for me when opera acts up with blocked websites from my safe browsing extensions.
So spot on for this confirmatory piece.

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